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Futile Rhetoric
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:24:00 -
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I do not believe you can salvage both the MT project and your current player base. You cannot. You can, at best, hope that the gains from MT will make up for the losses from unsubscribing users.
Authenticity is nowadays one of the most important attributes you can have as a company. You have lost it. The only way to reclaim it is by taking drastic measures, drawing up a set of principles and committing yourselves to them in word and in deed. Half-measures won't do.
I cannot claim to know how many users you will be losing over this if you do not, but my sense -- as a player who's never considered quitting prior to this -- is that it will be a lot.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:57:00 -
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Oh man, the guy who thinks a proforma disclaimer somehow changes anything is hilarious. Do you really believe that? Because if so, there's this jump bridge you might be interested in buying...
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Cyaxares II
Originally by: Ranger 1
Does the fact that the people were asked to portray different extreme viewpoints in that internal communication now make sense?
I don't see any "different extreme viewpoints" in that bulletin...
It's just either MTs or MTs...
and the article by CCP Morlock is imo even more damning than the Soundwave bit.
Also notice how Hilmar explicitly refers to Fearless as a means of communicating company strategy/policy.
Oh my, you really don't get it do you...
Hey man, wanna buy a jump bridge? Prime bit of real estate, you won't be sorry.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Okay.
Greed is Good is the catch phrase of Gordon Gekko (or rather the person he is based on) in Wall Street. That person personified greedy business practices and ripping off the customer, and ended up spending the rest of his life in prison for it.
People were asked to portray these points of view in that newsletter to air those very issues.
In essence, the damn thing is a corporate morality play, which puts things in a completely different context than it was originally presented to the EVE community via the "leak".
If you don't agree with that point of view, fine, but at least understand it.
Everybody understands the argument you goddam eejit. I guess you just need an above room temperature IQ to see how vacuous it is. It is clear from the general thrust of the newsletter which side of the argument won, it has been confirmed by the NEX store, re-confirmed by the dev blog, and clinched by the leaked email.
NO BUT YOU GUYS YOU GUYS SERIOUSLY THEY DIDN'T MEAN IT YOU'RE ALL SO STOOPID.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:07:00 -
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re: 52 monocles -- I would venture to guess that not a whole lot of these monocles were purchased with real moneys, people simply had PLEX/ISK to burn. So far, the ISK price of PLEX has gone down, which to me speaks volumes. It's too short-term to be conclusive, but still.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: FIliphys
Server downtime. How many will continue the protests after servers come back up?
What do you hope to accomplish doing this? You're still playing their game. Want to protest? Quit. Quit now, don't look back. Reconsider when you get an apology e-mail, maybe.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: DuKackBoon
Originally by: Futile Rhetoric
re: 52 monocles -- I would venture to guess that not a whole lot of these monocles were purchased with real moneys, people simply had PLEX/ISK to burn. So far, the ISK price of PLEX has gone down, which to me speaks volumes. It's too short-term to be conclusive, but still.
They were still paid with real money, because someone had to introduce that PLEX into the economy in the first place.
I am well aware of the PLEX-US$ link, thank you. The relevant question is whether these monocles resulted/will result in additional revenue for CCP. I have twelve PLEX on my accounts, bought and paid for. I could use them to buy three monocles, and the CCP monocle count will go up by three. But unless I buy more PLEX with $, or someone else buys more PLEX with $ and sells it to me for ISK, these three monocles will not have resulted in additional revenue. Right now there are a lot of people with PLEX to burn, and it is not at all certain that this PLEX pool will grow, or even replenished.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: StonerPhReaK
Let us see the items that break the sandbox before we start blowing up all our sandcastles.
And when (not if) that happens, you'll rationalise it anyway. You're the reason why they're so comfortable doing this, basically.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: DeltaTeam
Edited by: DeltaTeam on 26/06/2011 10:12:37
I heard that insulting your own customers who are paying your salaries and the developement of your two new games is a really good idea and basically belongs to the best practices in the gaming industry. I did actually play several other MMOs tonight and in pretty much every one of them the local channels were dominated by enraged eve players complaining to each other about CCP and about quitting EVE.
Or wait. Maybe you actually need the lesson that the customers wont do what "you" think they should do.
They're banking on the idea that the majority will never know or care. They might be right. Time will tell.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Futile Rhetoric on 26/06/2011 14:03:09
Originally by: Marc Goth
QUOTED BY A LOCAL CHAT IN AYDOTEAUX (GALLENTE SPACE)
Player A > the protest main thread reached >10000 replies and CCP still didnt reply decently
Terminal McFey > so basically your going to keep whining until they promise you what? that they wont ever introduce anything that you dont like?
Terminal McFey > heres a simple one. dont like it...**** off. Log out, close your account, go do something else with your life.
Terminal McFey > either way.. shut the **** up for love of god
Player B > Terminal who are you talking to?
Terminal McFey > Anyone who keeps ****ing and moaning about microtransactions basically
He mad.
Edit: are you spamming this tripe you goddam eejit?
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:25:00 -
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I s'pose this is where we find out how gullible this community really is.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Futile Rhetoric on 26/06/2011 14:54:43
Originally by: M14D
Allow me to predict what's going to happen after this blog. Let's assume it's very well written, answers all of the concerns and actually soothes people:
You'll all still keep raging and protesting. Because you're idiots.
Please come back to this post after the blog and tell me I was right. Thanks in advance.
All of this crying for an answer, you're gonna get one now, and you dismiss it before it even hits you. You're all ridiculously stupid. Utterly and truely.
There are ways of dealing with battered wife syndrome man, you should look into it.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Futile Rhetoric on 26/06/2011 19:26:14
No plans! No plans whatsoever.
Edit: there's absolutely no reason to fly the CSM out to Iceland (they didn't even bother to consult the CSM on the NEX question in the first place, remember?) They bought themselves a week, in the hopes that (some of) the natives will be less restless by then. Smart move (it's what they should've done in the first place), but if anyone really believes this is to result in actual changes, ha ha.
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